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August 25, 2003

Nomads, You Know

Genia and I spent the weekend in Atlanta visiting with some of our old KJT friends. We had a good time, as we always do with these great friends, and we also experienced a little bit of "homesickness" for Atlanta. There are things we love about Atlanta, and things we hate about it, but it was home for a little over two years. Generally coming into town for a short visit only reminds us of the things we loved -- the "bigness", lots of things to do, certain favorite places, swanky apartments, our church, and a good job market. We like Chattanooga, don't get me wrong, but isn't the grass always greener? When we were still in Atlanta, we couldn't wait to move to Chattanooga!

We really do have a nomadic streak. Every so often, we get restless and start wanting to move along to somewhere new and different and "more exciting." When we were living in Atlanta, and before I'd decided to return to school, I drew a map on our bathroom mirror and put stars on the cities we were interested in moving to. Charleston, Wilmington, Portland, Seattle, and San Diego, among others. Uncertainty about jobs and not knowing anyone are probably the only reasons we aren't in one of those cities right now.

Now that I've decided to finish up my undergrad work so that I can pursue a seminary degree, we have to be in one place for a solid three years. That place is probably Chattanooga. I've been accepted to Covenant, and while I turned down the offer for this fall because of Genia's pregnancy, I could probably start there next fall if I wanted to. However, the tuition is outrageous, and I don't think I can in good conscience take out that amount of student loans when I have a wife and child to think about. In all likelyhood, I'll finish up at UTC.

Then, of course, there's seminary. There isn't a seminary in Chattanooga that I would consider attending, and I don't know of a good one in Atlanta either. Emory, from what I understand, just has too liberal of a reputation. I've thought about Covenant Seminary in St. Louis, and there are other Reformed and non-denominational seminaries in various other cities. But are any of them in places we'd want to settle for good? Is it more appropriate to return to the place and the church that sent you to seminary? (My understanding of the PCA at least is that you have to be sponsored or recommended for seminary by a church body.)

What about schools? Bailey will be starting Kindergarden while I'm in seminary (am I old or what?). For whatever reason, I think it would be nice for her to grow up mostly in one place. To have some roots. Some kids thrive on change, but if she's anything like us, she won't be the type that makes new friends so easily, and sticking around somewhere would be beneficial. Choosing that place will be tough -- school will be a big factor, and so will church.

Maybe I'm looking too far down the road. Today's troubles are sufficient in themselves, right?

Posted by JohnH at August 25, 2003 09:26 AM | TrackBack
Comments

If you graduate from Covenant, tuition at Covenant Seminary is 50%. It's pretty nice. It's a decent seminary with a massive emphasis on Homiletics (preaching).

East is probably the most theologically rigorous.
West is good too, also trying to emphasize the "scholar-pastor" thingie.

Northwest is a one trick Vossian pony.

Greenville is decent, but is pretty much centered around the whole anti-vossian Literal Seven Days thing.

RTS is good, but its hit and miss from campus to campus. I've heard concerns that they are more focused on quantity of students as opposed to the quality of education, but I know alot of good great men that have come from there (including my father-in-law).

Then you've got Mid-America, which is a game unto itself. Small, and big emphasis on old-school (as in, early to mid 20th century) preaching. They make you do an internship at a church every summer you're there, which I think is good. My bud Nick Smith is heading there this fall. I've known alot of pastors that have come from there, since Mid-America was the only "Approved" seminary for my old denomination (RCUS).

I'd probably go to Trinity up near Chicago though if I had my choice. That makes me a loon in most conservative circles, but personally I'm more interested in a broad (as in, encompasing the entire Church) education as opposed to having the most rigorous "Reformed" education possible.

Posted by: JosiahQ at August 25, 2003 11:30 AM

Thanks for the info on the different seminaries Josiah. I haven't spent much time yet looking into the various options, but having some info from a personal source is helpful. One thing that attracts me to Covenant Seminary is the Schaeffer Institute, dealing with culture and all that.

Posted by: John at August 25, 2003 11:37 AM

There may be some good research behind Josiah's assessment of the various seminaries. I really can't say much about them myself. I did consider Westminster West and Mid-America. Greenville was never an option. Not that I doubt their qualifications or that I think that they're centered around a single point. I just don't happen to share their views on strict confessional subscriptionalism. Most of the others I just haven't given much thought to. I can, however, say something about Northwest. It was founded by my pastor and is currently housed in our church. By virtue of this alone, I've had enough exposure to it to know that Josiah doesn't know what he's talking about. It does place a particular emphasis on Vos and Van Til (which is interesting since the dean is not a Van Tillian); however, this in itself does not mean that it doesn't offer a well-balanced Reformed education. If you know enough of Vos or Van Til to disagree with them, I wouldn't go there (although you would be accepted): there are many other good options. The same thing would apply if, like Josiah, you want an education from something beyond a Reformed perspective. There are two drawbacks to Northwest. The first is that it is so new. It doesn't have a seminary's best recomendation, which is the graduating students it puts out. The second is location. The cost of living in Western Washington is rather high and good jobs are not that easy to come by (on the other hand, the tuition at Northwest is relatively inexpensive, both in comparison to its locale and to other seminaries). Still, for all I know, this second drawback may not be that significant, especially if other seminaries in the country are in a similar position. Give all of the seminaries a fair evaluation and feel free to reject or accept any one of them for any valid reason. Just don't let someone suggest that a seminary is being narrow-minded or, perhaps, divisive unless he has sufficient evidence to back up his claims.

Posted by: Kevin at August 25, 2003 03:14 PM

How about Canada? Sure, Bailey will have to dogsled to kindergarden and Genia will have to mind the igloo, but healthcare is universal and our money is more colorful :-).

Posted by: Dan at August 25, 2003 08:42 PM

Any good seminaries on PEI? And what about the job market? ;)

Posted by: John at August 25, 2003 09:38 PM

No great seminaries on PEI, no. Job market? Depends, which kind are you looking for? Pastor? Youth Pastor? Web Designer? Fisherman?

Posted by: Dan at August 25, 2003 09:56 PM

I've been fishing maybe twice in my whole life, so I think we can count that out. Until I'm finished with all my schooling, and possibly for some time after that, I want to work as a web designer. If I go to UTC next fall, I'll probably major in graphic design.

Posted by: John at August 26, 2003 12:43 PM

I think you should come to North Carolina and go to seminary somewhere there. It still has the pretty mountains like Chattanooga plus that is where Kevin and I are planning on living when we're married. It would be great!

Posted by: KC at August 28, 2003 06:22 PM

where are you gonna live In NC? Do you have ties in NC? i like Atlanta or or somewhere close to home. Chattanooga would be nice. I guess Macon For now. LOL! I got 4 more years and then we will see. I may get reasigned to another location before my time is up but i don't expect it. God willing, i will be happy with where he wants me. I know what i want but what he wants should come first. Praise GoD!!

Posted by: james at August 31, 2003 07:27 PM
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